In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby JHBBlade » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:15 pm

I'm starting this thread to discuss my journey and share my knowledge, or lack thereof, through that journey in the quest for being able to sharpen a blade myself to the same level or better of my favourite (polsilver) double edge blade.

The thread will ramble here and there, and will stumble, but I'm hoping it will create some uniquely South African solutions to sharpening of straights.

First off I bought a set of Norton Stones and made a hash of setting a bevel on a cheap razor, that I realised late in the process was twisted. I'll complete that story when I've some more time.

Second off.... A link to the most fascinating website on sharpening..... The more I learn, and the more I understand, the more interesting this website becomes.

The link gives a quick and dirty means of honing and stropping a razor, I'm collecting the hardware that I'm missing, namely Diamond spray and denim and metal polish to try this out.

https://scienceofsharp.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/quantifying-sharp/

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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby Thug » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:01 pm

Good luck on the start of your journey.

When I was in Japan last year, I purchased a 1k/6k King hone as well as a 12k Shapton. So far I've only used the 12k to touch up a blade or two.

I have a JA Henckels 50½ which I purchased locally last year and there is a bit of tarnishing on it, so my plan is to polish it and see if I can then hone it to shave ready standards.

There are plenty of honing videos on Youtube but one I can wholeheartedly recommend is by Lynn Abrams who owns Straight Razor Designs and who must have honed a couple thousand razors in his time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDq-2ZRVYXA - How to shave with a straight razor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_o9N2qqUg - Refreshhing razors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ7LUOhvh_M - bevel setting on a 1k naniwa

Also, there is Glen Mecurio who has also honed and refurbished hundreds of razors. Here he bevels sets and hones on a Norton 4k/8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53SL9QMq6I
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby JHBBlade » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:17 pm

Thanks Thug for the good wishes. Your links are excellent links from Mr Lynn Abrahams, his affection for the Norton Stones and their good pricepoint inspired me to buy the Norton Set.

In this page I'm going to try and keep and catalogue good links as they are accumulated later in the thread. So that the first page is an easy reference.
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby deepsouth » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:04 pm

I'm with you on the journey, where did you find the Norton kit?

I have a Wusthoff (J8k/J3k) whetstone and a set of Arkansas stones (hard and soft) but am thinking that the Arkansas stones are more suited to knives.

Thank you for the links Thug, lots of learning ahead.


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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby danilo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:43 pm

Good luck :) i love this part
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby Thug » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:02 pm

If any of you are looking for honing stones apart from Norton 4k/8k which are available locally, you can try these sites.

The 1st is who I used to purchase mine & SHSA's hones from, the second I haven't used but he does have a good rep. The third is for proper Japanese Naturals and who also has a good rep.

http://www.metalmaster-ww.com/

http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/store/ind ... 463d707d31

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/jns-stones/
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby danilo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:54 am

I eould recomend the piramid hone.
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby deepsouth » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:16 am

Danilo, The piramid hone - is that from a specific vendor or type of stone (It makes me think of 3 sided stone)

Thug - did you import your stones from the 1st supplier, all good - no customs issues? That chosera though! I want to get a Naninwa 10k for finishing/touch-ups. Lynn's youtube vids are excellent! Which stones would you recommend to add to the order, 8k?
Which strop paste do you use (if any)

What are your thoughts around Shaptons? and finally - where did you guys get the Norton stones? I am not confident that my current stones are suitable for razors
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby danilo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:41 pm

I will translate mu post about how i hone.

I strongly recommend natual stones.
Chinese 12k for me is a great great stone. The fact that it
Is slow helps when learnig but more than hones i recomend a digital microscope. You can use a microscope or a macro added to your phone camera. Then you can really see what you are doing. Nowadays i only use a 30x microscope but before i was using a 60x-120x.

The piramid hone is basicly for who doesnt have all thenstones and want to shave.

But more then this is to learn the pressure you do.

This may look crazy but it is true. Otherwise you will always leave marks and wont be able to polish.

https://youtu.be/BbwmZjXboIk

I like carter very much

https://youtu.be/vTV4ph1LE3c

( thennewspaper must be only letters no pictures)


Pyramid
http://straightrazorplace.com/srpwiki/i ... ning_guide

My bigest tip is light touch on the stones, make sure they are flat and dont rush. Use on the 1k until you can take hair in the arms. Rushing here wont help.

There are also nice videos on the coticule.be i think.

A great mistake, all stones perform different to everyone. So sometimes my 5 strokes can be your 10 strokes. Find your pace. And for that the microscope.
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby Thug » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:31 pm

deepsouth wrote:Danilo, The piramid hone - is that from a specific vendor or type of stone (It makes me think of 3 sided stone)

Thug - did you import your stones from the 1st supplier, all good - no customs issues? That chosera though! I want to get a Naninwa 10k for finishing/touch-ups. Lynn's youtube vids are excellent! Which stones would you recommend to add to the order, 8k?
Which strop paste do you use (if any)

What are your thoughts around Shaptons? and finally - where did you guys get the Norton stones? I am not confident that my current stones are suitable for razors


So many questions, so little time. :lol:

Paging ShaveHavenSA, Paging SHSA :)

**Disclaimer - Seriously, I do not consider myself a honer of any sort at all**

However, for basic honing and setting of bevels you would need a 1k stone (Chosera being the stone of choice for serious honers). You can of course use a 1k grit wet/dry sandpaper.. (http://straightrazorplace.com/advanced- ... oh-no.html)

You can then get a Norton 4k/8k (have a look on BoB) to polish the stria from the Chosera and the 8k can make the razor shave-ready. There have been hundreds of shave ready razors honed on an 8k Norton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53SL9QMq6I)

If you want to refine the edge further, then a 10k/12k stone will do.

Of course you can further refine with Natural stones and not synthetics such as the Zulu Grey.

Bottom line is that as a minimum to start honing, you would require 1k, 3 or 4k and an 8k.

I bought mine and SHSA's stone from MasterMetal (link in my post above). I had arranged for the stones to be delivered whilst I was in Japan but he did cock up and I only received the stones probably 6 weeks after I got home. I don't think there were any duties just the normal VAT. As a matter of interest, ARAMEX now has a delivery office in Japan!!

The standard synthetic stones are Naniwa which almost everyone uses. I bought the Shapton because I wanted a 12k which Naniwa doesn't make (they only go to 10k). I can't answer whether one is better than the other, I don't have that experience.

The pyramid that Danilo was talking about is a type of honing. Search on youtube for Pyramid honing. IIRC Len Abrams has that video.
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby danilo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:49 pm

I have a zulu that needs to be flat. I only think it is a fast hone from what i could see.
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby ShaveHavenSA » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:54 pm

Did everyone come right with the honing?
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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:34 pm

ShaveHavenSA wrote:Did everyone come right with the honing?

Welcome back ShaveHavenSa! We've been missing your much needed input in this thread

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Re: In search of a comfortable DIY straight blade edge.

Postby deepsouth » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:15 am

ShaveHavenSA wrote:Did everyone come right with the honing?


Sort of, I have a few that I need to send you before I have a go at it :-) I also cant seem to find norton stones in SA...
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