Honing for Beginners

Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby ShaveHavenSA » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:10 am

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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby panthera » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:10 am

I've just made an order from the states and am using Postbox Courier (not for hones though I might add) so I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

I have to say that if I don't get nailed by customs the whole operation will work out quite good value.

Another thought, unfortunately after I ordered- they charge by weight and size of package at Postbox Courier (which isn't really too unreasonable) and say if a few people wanted to order straights from Ebay (or artisan US soaps etc etc) they let you join orders and export altogether at one cost..
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby Thug » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:37 pm

panthera wrote:I've just made an order from the states and am using Postbox Courier (not for hones though I might add) so I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

I have to say that if I don't get nailed by customs the whole operation will work out quite good value.

Another thought, unfortunately after I ordered- they charge by weight and size of package at Postbox Courier (which isn't really too unreasonable) and say if a few people wanted to order straights from Ebay (or artisan US soaps etc etc) they let you join orders and export altogether at one cost..


Will be good to hear how it works out.

Stackry also combine several shipments as well and also hold the order for +- 45 days or so, which is also useful if needed.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby Stubble » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:47 am

I need/want to get a new strop. I had a look at sharp edge the Muhle strops and paddles. Does anyone have any info on other places in SA selling good strops or is the Muhle strops okay?
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby Thug » Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:17 am

I have a Muhle strop which was the 1st strop I bought.

A nice strop but too narrow in my opinion unless you know how to X-strop.

I then bought a 3" strop from ShaveHavenSA but I don't know if he still has available.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:06 pm

Here's a great video of a top sushi chef putting a very sharp edge on his blade (setting the edge at 15 degrees). @Thug Do you also have to soak your stones for 12 hours?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t39rhQs6Hqc

Wow! Just a note that surgical instruments are also set at 15 degrees. :shock:
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby Thug » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:35 pm

The only stone I would have to soak is the 1k side of the King.

The 12k Shapton and the 6k side of the King don't need soaking.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:58 pm

Thug wrote:The only stone I would have to soak is the 1k side of the King.

The 12k Shapton and the 6k side of the King don't need soaking.



Incredible how soft that stone is. Seemed to shave off half the stone by time he was done.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:33 pm

Thug wrote:The only stone I would have to soak is the 1k side of the King.

The 12k Shapton and the 6k side of the King don't need soaking.



The other interesting thing to not is that this guy finished off on the 6000 stone (where most razor honers are just getting getting started :twisted: )

Here's an excellent video of Mark Dayvoc doing a full restoration on a straight blade. The edge he gets is incredible. I'm sure ShaveHavenSA will enjoy this one.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby ShaveHavenSA » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:39 pm

You're correct I do like the video. But this guy goes the extra mile. Very nice.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:36 am

ShaveHavenSA wrote:You're correct I do like the video. But this guy goes the extra mile. Very nice.


I agree, From the Micrscope pictures he took, the scratch patterns on edge actually looked worse (to my untrained eye) after he moved to those natural Japanese stones. :?:
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby ShaveHavenSA » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:12 pm

RiverValleyTrading wrote:
ShaveHavenSA wrote:You're correct I do like the video. But this guy goes the extra mile. Very nice.


I agree, From the Micrscope pictures he took, the scratch patterns on edge actually looked worse (to my untrained eye) after he moved to those natural Japanese stones. :?:


Yes and no. Refer to Japanese sword sharpening for a better explanation. Whats happening is that the edge is being "exposed" and natural stones have a grit type that does leave a fine mesh of marks. This does however not damage the edge its in fact good for it. I do not think that its really necessary to go to this extreme.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:15 pm

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ShaveHavenSA wrote:You're correct I do like the video. But this guy goes the extra mile. Very nice.


I agree, From the Micrscope pictures he took, the scratch patterns on edge actually looked worse (to my untrained eye) after he moved to those natural Japanese stones. :?:


Yes and no. Refer to Japanese sword sharpening for a better explanation. Whats happening is that the edge is being "exposed" and natural stones have a grit type that does leave a fine mesh of marks. This does however not damage the edge its in fact good for it. I do not think that its really necessary to go to this extreme.

Interesting. I know the Japanese swords were razor sharp so I can see the benefits of using the natural stones.

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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby AndreGrobler » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:47 pm

They were not really razor sharp... that would be disasterous in figthing... what also happens is that the japanese stones have round grit, the ceramic ones more angular... the ceramic ones cut through carbides and the japanese abrade around the carbides... this is what produces the cloudy hamon on a japanese sword... not etching as in western style hamons...
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:53 pm

AndreGrobler wrote:They were not really razor sharp... that would be disasterous in figthing... what also happens is that the japanese stones have round grit, the ceramic ones more angular... the ceramic ones cut through carbides and the japanese abrade around the carbides... this is what produces the cloudy hamon on a japanese sword... not etching as in western style hamons...



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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby ShaveHavenSA » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:48 am

AndreGrobler wrote:They were not really razor sharp... that would be disasterous in figthing... what also happens is that the japanese stones have round grit, the ceramic ones more angular... the ceramic ones cut through carbides and the japanese abrade around the carbides... this is what produces the cloudy hamon on a japanese sword... not etching as in western style hamons...


The Hamon's also created during the clay temper procedure. Some schools use there own designs as a signature of the maker etc... You don'y see the true hamon after sword manufacture only after its been polished.
The blade is taken to a Togishi (polisher) to do this. They use a number of stones to reveal and polish the different parts of the blade.
This is a true art and only a hand full of people can do this right.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby AndreGrobler » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:04 am

Yes it is the martensite that formed in the hardened part of the blade that makes the hamon... they put clay in various thicknesses on the blade to create a hardened edges, soft back design.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:10 am

AndreGrobler wrote:Yes it is the martensite that formed in the hardened part of the blade that makes the hamon... they put clay in various thicknesses on the blade to create a hardened edges, soft back design.



Yes, I have seen that, It gives the wave patterens along the blade.
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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby RiverValleyTrading » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:40 pm

Excellent video by Johnathan Romanov showing his honing method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ZJRrqDyNU

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Re: Honing for Beginners

Postby Thug » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:22 am

Dragging up an old thread but the realisation that I have to start honing my own razors (with Basil's pending departure) means that I'm in the market for some stones.

I currently have:

King 1k/6k combo - Never used :)
Shapton 12k

Over the weekend, I touched up the edges on my Geo.Wostenholm and the Henckels Platinum with the Shapton. I used the Wostenholm yesterday and it was OK'ish nothing like the edge that Basil puts on. The Henckels I've yet to try.

This got me thinking that perhaps I need to get a natural stone something like either a Zulu Grey or a Belgium Coticule. JNats are ridiculously expensive as is the Suheiro Gokyumo 20k.

Any thoughts from the honers?
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